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#11
@dragonhun3r, you can always start with a codecademy course. I'm starting PHP this weekend to brush up on some things.
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#12
(07-15-2016, 10:07 PM)Albus Wrote: @dragonhun3r, you can always start with a codecademy course. I'm starting PHP this weekend to brush up on some things.

True, but in my eyes doing it yourself using google and APIDocs and sometimes Youtube is the best way to go.
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#13
(07-15-2016, 09:56 PM)Coddr Wrote: Cause if you Only do backend programming HTML is not required!

And why are you trying to always put a post down in a negative context?

I'm asking a simple question, I'm not being negative. Stop trying to make a big deal out of everything.

And now that we're talking about it, if one can't understand simple HTML despite having used tutorials, how can that person hope to even begin to learn PHP? I'm not trying to be negative here but rather realistic. I'd highly recommend to start with something like HTML and CSS (both which are very simple) before you begin on something like PHP, which is a language that is easy to write messy code in.
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#14
(07-15-2016, 10:24 PM)Jurij Wrote:
(07-15-2016, 09:56 PM)Coddr Wrote: Cause if you Only do backend programming HTML is not required!

And why are you trying to always put a post down in a negative context?

I'm asking a simple question, I'm not being negative. Stop trying to make a big deal out of everything.

And now that we're talking about it, if one can't understand simple HTML despite having used tutorials, how can that person hope to even begin to learn PHP? I'm not trying to be negative here but rather realistic. I'd highly recommend to start with something like HTML and CSS (both which are very simple) before you begin on something like PHP, which is a language that is easy to write messy code in.

It's off-topic but most of your post I have seen are in a negative or hating context if that is how I can word my idea behind it. I can't word it in english since what you do is a dutch pharse and I do not know how to explain what I mean.

But back on topic, I learned PHP before I did HTML and they are 2 seperate languages. You do not need to know 1 to know or use the other, Backend developers aren't always in contact with the front-end or really less. And also maybe he didn't intrests in HTML and hoped he made a good guess. That is totally fine.
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#15
I personally think that HTML is essential if not mandatory if you want to be making any significant progress with PHP - as it's merely half of the project, so to speak.

Unless you're going to be working in an environment where tasks are always delegated in such ways that you will never see HTML code, which is extremely rare, if not non-existent, you will always need to have at least an understanding of HTML for times such as having PHP and HTML in a single file, generation of HTML elements via PHP etc. These operations are far too common to separate HTML from PHP. I'd compare it to separating CSS from HTML.

PHP communicates with the server + database, then outputs data - if a developer isn't able to test the output of that data themselves (using HTML,) yes there are workarounds, but I feel it would be very stubborn of them to cling on to the notion that they're two separate technologies and using that justify not learning one or the other.
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#16
(07-15-2016, 10:33 PM)Coddr Wrote: But back on topic, I learned PHP before I did HTML and they are 2 seperate languages. You do not need to know 1 to know or use the other, Backend developers aren't always in contact with the front-end or really less. And also maybe he didn't intrests in HTML and hoped he made a good guess. That is totally fine.

When and where did I explicitly say that HTML is required in order to learn PHP? I said that if you don't have knowledge in something like HTML, which is a simple markup language, and you have used tutorials and still don't understand, how can you even begin to hope to learn PHP? All I'm saying is basically that he should probably spend some more time with something simpler than PHP before he begins learning something harder. If he doesn't, he's going to write bad code and he won't understand much of it. He'll search the web for solutions that were made by other programmers, edit it and call it a day. This is what happens when you learn, in my opinion, in the wrong way i.e. learning something like PHP without understanding something as simple as HTML.

My point is basically if you have no knowledge in something like mathematics and you try to start out by learning calculus, you are going to spend a lot of time learning calculus but you will never really truly understand it as the building blocks are not there (basic mathematics). However, if you spend a great amount of time on basic mathematics, it will be much easier for you to learn calculus. This is a much more efficient way of learning and this is really how you learn anything in the world. Start small then build upon it.
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#17
Just a reminder, guys.

We can all agree and disagree on various topics without getting personal or upset about each others' opinions. Discuss them calmly and do not resort to down-repping one another and reporting each other; things can be done in a better way.
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#18
(07-15-2016, 10:39 PM)Jurij Wrote:
(07-15-2016, 10:33 PM)Coddr Wrote: But back on topic, I learned PHP before I did HTML and they are 2 seperate languages. You do not need to know 1 to know or use the other, Backend developers aren't always in contact with the front-end or really less. And also maybe he didn't intrests in HTML and hoped he made a good guess. That is totally fine.

When and where did I explicitly say that HTML is required in order to learn PHP? I said that if you don't have knowledge in something like HTML, which is a simple markup language, and you have used tutorials and still don't understand, how can you even begin to hope to learn PHP? All I'm saying is basically that he should probably spend some more time with something simpler than PHP before he begins learning something harder. If he doesn't, he's going to write bad code and he won't understand much of it. He'll search the web for solutions that were made by other programmers, edit it and call it a day. This is what happens when you learn, in my opinion, in the wrong way i.e. learning something like PHP without understanding something as simple as HTML.

My point is basically if you have no knowledge in something like mathematics and you try to start out by learning calculus, you are going to spend a lot of time learning calculus but you will never really truly understand it as the building blocks are not there (basic mathematics). However, if you spend a great amount of time on basic mathematics, it will be much easier for you to learn calculus. This is a much more efficient way of learning and this is really how you learn anything in the world. Start small then build upon it.

Fair enough, in anyway the basic is a proper thing to know, but me personally knew the usage and basic php before I learned html. Everyway is possible only dedication and intrests are needed.
Anyways lets keep the topic for what it should be and that are suggestions. And disscuss this in a diffrent topic.
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#19
I think it would be good to make some programmes just for UB or UB related, think of incoperating a game or something similar - just scratching the surface here but can already begin to think of quite a few ideas!
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#20
(07-16-2016, 05:50 PM)StrandedBanana Wrote: I think it would be good to make some programmes just for UB or UB related, think of incoperating a game or something similar - just scratching the surface here but can already begin to think of quite a few ideas!

Sorry but the things I make are 100% Public and not Only for UB. I do dedicate maybe some projects to UB but they are not UB only.
This is because Im 18 and I try to get like a little job but no company wants me cause all the stuff I made in the past was private or only for a group and they are not intrested in that and I can also not show everything anymore.
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